Kenny Aronoff clinic in my hometown...should I go ?

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Originally posted by Drum Richard:
Then to try and cover up for his lack of talent, creativity, musicality and his extremely poor performance he tries to justify himself by dissing on others (such as drummers who can play in all styles) who can play circles around him.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Could you perhaps list some names of drummers that he has "dissed"? Consider this:
Kenny is in high demand for sessions in LA. Depending on the style of music he will certainly be among the first three guys to be called (if not the first). Any intelligent drummer would know better than to diss his PEERS, when his reputation is so important. I find your claim very hard to believe.
Kenny attended the Montreal Drum Fest as a spectator in 2004. When Virgil was on stage you could see his jaw drop and Kenny later on made an enthusiastic speech on how great it was to be around all these fantastic drummers.
It seems that you have a dislike for Mr. Aronoff which is based on false judgment calls. If reads your post he could probably refute just about anything you mentioned. I am afraid that it's not just a matter of opinion, but also true facts that have simply been ignored.

One would be surprised by the fact that SOME of those so called "technical masturbaters" can make the music breath REALLY WELL! and actually have a nice pocket and feel to boot. One just has to listen to more than a few clinic clips or some "over the top" fusion recording by the particular artist to formulate a factual and reasonable opinion.

Dig

Holey drum-Heads, Scatman!

DR...could you please just give us your unadulterated opinion? [img]wink.gif[/img]

I'm laughing so hard at this topic my stomach is cramping. [img]biggrin.gif[/img] [Filed it as text under 'HB humor'] Because that was so incredulous a post [& a "first one," to boot, no doubt!]

So, how do you feel about KA & pop music in general?! /;cp

Hey, no probs, everyone has their opin, & i guess we now know yours! It's prob just the way you presented it [ya think?!] /;cp

Oh, well, ya caught me on a good day [I'm laughing at almost everything today...& I stopped the meds YEARS ago, I'll have you to know!! /;cP]. Truth is, some of what you said I indeed agree with [i won't say which], but some i did not, AW...& i agreed w what flar said AW.

I will say that when I saw Mr. Loaf on VH1 Storytellers some time ago, his drumr [name?] did a great job, very complimentery for the genre.

Kenny is a pop/rock session ace, so what. He's good AT WHAT HE DOES, or he wouldn't get those calls. But, not everyone is going to like everyone/anyone. No biggie. I enjoy lisytening to some of his work. But there are also players I listen to much more. No biggie again. /;c)

But, & not un-like myself, sounds like you have some issues [ya think?! ;cp] with a lot of pop music in general... [img]wink.gif[/img]

But if'n ya don't want to starve in music [& KA obv doesn't!], ya better suck it up & play a little pop! I'm sure he makes quite a decent living...[but I didn't say he could hang w VC, Weck, Wack, Den, Virg, Novak, Omar, Gadd, Ersk, Husb, Boz, Heredia, Cap'n Kirk, Beef-Stew [Bill], Baron, Tain, or WKennedy either...oh well, i usually don't like stacking, but i also know what's what].

I guess what you say is altruistically true, because it's your opinion, & you live w it. [img]cool.gif[/img]

Man was that entertaining reading, regardless. [img]biggrin.gif[/img] Almost as good as the HOD-trad/matchgrip vid... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I say go, if it's not too much trouble. You can always learn something from it...even if it's bad. /;cP [Even Neil once said something like that. ;cp]

Next time, DR, please don't hold back! Don't toy with us. We want to know how you REALLY feel! /;cP
Just 4warn us with the word "VENT or RANT" at the front of the thread..."HA!" /;cP

Don't be afraid to "get it off your chest," man!

BTW - socio - loved that post, & where u r from...LOL...man, you guys stop making me laugh...KA's a real crazy hyuckster himself, I wonder if he'd laugh... /;cP

Did I put enough "/;cP"'s in here?!

/;cP

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 28, 2005 05:27 PM: Message edited by: got_a_match_grip? ]</font>

Drum Richard is a stupid loser troll.

[sniff] Is that troll I can smell?

My word, Dumb Dick, such a lot of bile with such a small intellect.

Billy Cobham couldn't groove as hard as Kenny Aronoff in a rock track to save his life. Nor would he want to.
Kenny's groove is amazing. It's not my thing, but I know he get's many calls from the same people who can and sometimes do call Vinnie Colaiuta or Steve Gadd if they needed to. But they call Kenny. Why? I don't think it's because he sucks. I'm sure if Vince got the call to play with Melissa he would in a heartbeat. There's more drumming on that gig than let's say Faith Hill, which he was doing for the past few years.
Drum Dick sounds like he's not a drummer.

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Originally posted by Drum Richard:
Here's the difference between Billy and Kenny though. Billy could play for all those dumb-asses Kenny has. Kenny could never play for artists like Mahavishnu!!! Billy can do both; Kenny can't!!!

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">First of all: Your tone of voice is really unnecessary. You can also get your points across in a more subtle tone of voice.

You must also realize that Kenny and Billy are active in different styles of music. Could Billy play for the artists Kenny has? For the most part, NO. No pop producer will want to hear the majority of what Billy has to offer. Solid 2+4 drumming is what is required here. Next: I really doubt Kenny ever claimed to play with Mahavishnu. That's not his cup of tea and is certainly beyond his "comfort zone". I am not protecting Kenny like he is my favourite drummer, but please don't compare apples with oranges here.
Essentially it is like comparing athletes of different sports and critisizing them for not being as good as player x/y. See my point?
You can have your opinion, but any knowledgable drummer will tell you that a lot of your arguments rest on shaky foundations.

It's interesting to hear Billy and Kenny mentioned in the same sentence. I'm not sure if there is a Kenny Aronoff in Bizarro World that's completely horrible, but the Kenny I saw did a pretty respectable version of the groove to Mahavishnu's 'Vital Transformation'. Was it Billy? No, but who cares? I get a little tired of hearing folks compare this person's playing to another person's with dogmatic statements that one is inferior to the other. You either like it or you don't, but when talking of players of this caliber with a proven, winning track record you skate on thin ice saying they suck.

My two cents.

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 29, 2005 02:01 PM: Message edited by: Clintuplet ]</font>

Did Kenny bang your girlfriend or something ? haha.

Wow, so much hate.

Sorry to have opened the door guys, I think the dudes crossing the line on that last one.

I dont think you couldve more misinterpret the line : "You don't have to play a million notes like Buddy Rich or Billy Cobham to be successful.", but then again, maybe i'll be surprised, because im going next tuesday [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

OK, take it easy DR, we got your point in the first one. [Your name - "Richard?" Was that intentional? [img]wink.gif[/img] ]

It's all the cursing & swearing that's unnecessary, really. If I may, if you can, try to state your point w/out all the flaming, name-calling, & insults, if possible, please. Because then we won't get to hear your point if the Moderators have to come down on your post [AKA: "delete," & deservedly sometimes]. I'm not a fan of censorship, but deleting excessively offensive stuff is sometimes necessary.
Altho your 1st post was so overtly over the top [OTT] that I did have to laugh almost the whole time!

But that last one was less funny. Try to keep it humorous...[it's wittier that way [img]wink.gif[/img] ]; & w/out the name-calling & excessive swearing...we know you mean it [img]wink.gif[/img] ...we get the idea...Thx

Altho I also don't appreciate the guys who employ reverse snobbery, i.e., one's who like slipping in the idea that guys who have a lot of chops used in a musical fashion are somehow unfashionable, because that to me is also complete & utter BullShedd; but it may not be that KA was being deliberately nasty towards guys like BC & such.

Altho sometimes it may be that it sounds as if some of these guys are trying to justify some sort of personal shortcoming to themselves aka insecurity/job security[?]...like the peeps who bag on Weckl...don't even get me started [img]graemlins/sure.gif[/img]

But I don't like chops snobs either - folks who can't understand or appreciate a great, "simple" Gadd, Ersk, Porc, Vega, Jordan, MCurry, Robinson, Marotta, Keltner, Purdie, Pelton etc groove, & only get the Virg pyrotechnics...but we all know Virg is indeed great at what he does also...

It's more about [playing for] the tune/music & genre [like you said], not the player...but liking certain players, AWA not preferring another, is of course, fine too...

Anyhoo, jes my 2...

The Divine Chillness. And Peace [Out]. /;c) [img]cool.gif[/img]

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 29, 2005 01:58 PM: Message edited by: got_a_match_grip? ]</font>